13:05:58	 From Steven M Lund : yes
13:19:34	 From Daniel Winklehner : To provide adequate training to accelerator physicists, while allowing them to benefit from the diversity and cross-disciplinary exchange of a college campus, we need to create opportunities for hands-on practical work on campus at more universities. How can we make universities more attractive again to host accelerator projects/experiments? To funding agencies, but also to themselves? There seems to be a bias of hiring committees against accelerator physics ("shouldn't you do this at a National Lab?")
13:25:31	 From Samuel Meehan : Reminder to everyone that there is a slack channel #cpm_topics_119
13:25:35	 From Samuel Meehan : there are 19 people there
13:25:37	 From Samuel Meehan : And 49 here
13:25:48	 From Samuel Meehan : the chat here will not be preserved or extended, but that one will
13:34:15	 From Daniel Winklehner : That last point has a strong overlap with CompF
13:39:37	 From John Jowett : I don't see that channel in the Snowmass Slack ?  There is one called #af1-beam-physics-education which has not been very active. 
13:40:22	 From Cindy Joe : https://join.slack.com/share/zt-huo7swxj-R9uRTANEukzWR7WZtk0J~A may work
13:40:35	 From Daniel Winklehner : I found it by searching the channel list for "119"
13:40:55	 From Samuel Meehan : yeah, you have to push “enter”, it doesn’t dynamically search
13:41:01	 From Samuel Meehan : That confused me when I was searching
13:41:55	 From Cindy Joe : (I’ve never actually sent an invitation before, but I think it’s valid)
13:43:36	 From mbai : hardcore engineering!!!
13:45:05	 From mbai : AF needs not only PhDs, but also smart engineers and technicians. THese have to be in the right ratio.
13:47:01	 From Cindy Joe : In addition, I would say we need to be able to keep them. Recognize and reward their contributions, learn from what they do and respect their experience.
13:48:30	 From Steven M Lund : Large number of engineers … but indeed our fields need R&D engineers that are closer to physicists and not as common.
13:52:50	 From Cindy Joe : Going to suggest we continue this discussion on Slack so we can have a record of further contribution and ideas, but just in case:
13:53:12	 From Steven M Lund : Chat is recorded in zoom.  Can be put on record. 
13:53:22	 From Steven M Lund : Slack is preferable though
13:53:23	 From Cindy Joe : I think that exploratory, scientific, research mindset can be sought, hired for, and trained. If we value it, we can work toward it.
13:56:38	 From Cindy Joe : I give lectures on accelerators to high school and undergraduate outreach audiences and over time, my talk has evolved more and more from “explaining accelerator physics topics” to much more “how to think about problems, how to cultivate a curious operational mindset, how to encourage exploration” which is frankly really fun to teach and encourage.
14:00:29	 From Prasanth Shyamsundar : I'm not sure of what all needs to fall in place for more faculty positions to open up in accelerator physics.

But normalizing and promoting non-academic career paths will go a long way in getting students interested in accelerator physics
14:01:32	 From Prasanth Shyamsundar : Or more accurately, de-romaniticizing academic careers
14:01:32	 From Daniel Winklehner : Coming back to my question at the beginning: If universities were more attractive for hosting accelerator experiments, faculty positions would follow, I think.
14:04:07	 From Cindy Joe : ++ to Prasanth’s points about “de-romanticizing” academia and recognizing other paths as well
14:07:51	 From mbai : Exactly!
14:11:29	 From mbai : This is wonderful! Who funds the program?
14:18:07	 From Ritchie Patterson : Universities will host facilities and hire faculty if research funding is available; after all, the science is exciting. The trend toward publishing in peer-reviewed journals is also important, since that’s an important metric for tenure.
14:19:23	 From Steven M Lund : Ritchie and Daniel's comments follow the theme with respect to accelerators: if there is funding it will come.   
14:19:37	 From Katie Dunne : what session covered test facilities?
14:20:03	 From mbai : 175
14:20:34	 From Cindy Joe : We put our money where values are, so I think the lack of funding follows some of the other problems of “value” mentioned earlier by many speakers.
14:20:35	 From Daniel Winklehner : A shift of mindset in the universities has to also happen. In conversations and job interviews, I have often encountered a negative attitude towards hosting accelerator experiments/faculty.
14:21:03	 From Daniel Winklehner : Cindy and I are saying similar things here, I think. 
14:21:09	 From zoltan.gecse@cern.ch  To  Sudhir Malik(privately) : The ultimate deadline is 2:45
14:21:35	 From Cindy Joe : :) we’re resonating at the same frequencies for sure
14:29:22	 From Garvita Agarwal : Frontier Specific survey questions: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vQmWyUT4XDn3cRwoyofmjWHn6Ipnp6e20VOMvTdFLYk/edit#gid=0
14:29:54	 From Garvita Agarwal : Please add your questions to this document.
14:30:06	 From Ritchie Patterson : Agreed.  One tactic that helps build support , at least in physics departments, is collaboration across subdisciplines; another is to highlight the knowledge being gained about nature.
14:30:34	 From Ritchie Patterson : Thank you!