23:03:24 Okay, so I started the recording the aim of course,
23:03:31 being an iOS if you could also be called just just forever.
23:03:36 Okay, redundancy.
23:03:55 Okay, with that said that maybe, maybe it's a good time to start the.
23:04:06 So let me start they hope that they this the everybody can see the slides I know share the share the properly. Yes. Good. Great.
23:04:20 So let me move on to the letter started this meeting and he was to the second the second slide just on the, on the timeline. So last reminder last week we had the energy from Dr be stamped workshop, but the past there were many I hit highlight that feedback,
23:04:53 that were interesting, and that that very close connection to win here for for the global feet for discussion on Monday. In the year for one year for 30 year for for me.
23:04:59 And finally I was doing for somebody on the topic of group activities during the fight every Friday plenary major milestone for our group is this submission of papers and white papers on March, 15.
23:05:31 Next year, or wherever, let me point out today we would like to receive notifications about essential results.
23:05:27 Earlier in the year to help their inclusion.
23:05:31 In, after the start thinking in January we will start the foundation ever your topic open reports.
23:05:40 In the final energy from Dr. Reporter should be radio right before the July, 2022 meeting in Seattle.
23:05:48 Final Snowmass report the leader in here. Let me also say that we live at draft the year for for, given the report that we have it posted he has the link, please let us know if you want to wish anything and I think we're ready to receive some feedback
23:06:07 and added the summer to me Don't ever a capital A three slides on the reports on the somebody from the Sunday meeting.
23:06:21 We have an important topic is Monte Carlo reports. So, he has a, he has a summary of the summary that john is presented at the workshop link. If you link See the link here for the Monte Carlo requests.
23:07:00 A link to energy frontier simulation wiki, and a call for volunteers to help the to help the work of the energy from the energy from gm of the cardinal Task Force last link set it beat the heat then that can be supporting point on how to get an account
23:07:06 on your SG snow master machine that documentation, and slack in in in a very, very quick summary on the plan for the Monte Carlo Task Force is that the hater on a drum samples will be generating the proactively, while the demands for electron positron
23:07:37 machines electron high on the vector hadron new machines that would be repeatable produced that on demand.
23:07:40 Another quick saw a weaker finger signal samples are quite specialized and not resource intensive so they will be not saying fairly produces what produce the while the Monte Carlo production team with with give us instructions, January, those samples
23:08:00 Will we give us instructions, January, those samples that as consistently as possible with the background samples.
23:08:04 In other key, key detail that there would be no, There are no plans are for fully simulated the samples. But while at the degenerated the samples will use that definition and their workflow at the moment is a mega fabulous med spin plus p Thea.
23:08:27 And finally, database. The first a large scale production samples around England, and that need to be added at the more events are coming in general you can consider about 12 medium events that are being generated, as well as a good estimate for the,
23:08:48 for the movie.
23:08:50 And as we were preparing slides and finalizing them, we receive essentially yesterday. Yesterday, an email from, from the Monte Carlo with us for social, please check your check your emails from john.
23:09:04 The first 100 Pv PP samples are available, they are on these machines are the snowman connector that they've been made available for us from all SG on the links in my baby says like that, you will have instructions on how to get an account that on the,
23:09:29 screenshot that the results included in John's email with the least of the samples that are available at the top, becoming available on these direct important note is that the samples that have not been validated get that ready to close it.
23:09:50 If you plan to use them. Please, volunteer to consider helping in their validation. in that you're your health will be acknowledged at all possible venue is a
23:10:09 quick summary of the energy from Dr really sessions and the workshop at the global feet discussion on the discussions on the EFT one validity.
23:10:24 Spread out on Foursquare dimensional six of tests that clip finger of data, and your EFT user account so you and I both is Isa a reporter found the storm as a global energy feedback team, some open questions that came up during the discussions and the
23:10:49 of different scenarios and your blinders. The HTC ledger elation you see the consistency of assumption that for for systematics, so they, they, there was a very productive discussion or then summarize that the panelists session.
23:11:09 The FCC em young correlative studies presentations at the top physics, presentations, and the VDSMVDF discussions are again that open questions about energy from elector weekend, I see john sir, a normal Rosa Beach couplings measure means that effect
23:11:29 of the Higgs mass at what do we need that to get the full of dimension seats energy from TF studies. And finally, the last the last the link to the year for foreign activities and discussion so
23:11:47 last slide.
23:11:49 Yeah.
23:12:06 So, someone that the organization that matters. We started the communication as usual yeah Slack, and the mailing list and, indeed, meetings and you have a bit relevant links where he started the, our bi weekly in the community meeting.
23:12:10 It's a Friday, 10am EDT and all our meetings will be will be at this time.
23:12:18 Now, I shut up.
23:12:22 And they will open for questions, or restart from our contributors.
23:12:33 Yep.
23:12:33 Well, the next meeting be in two weeks time.
23:12:37 Yes.
23:12:39 Seems to conflict with us.
23:12:43 Zika.
23:12:44 So Mass General Meeting, or whatever it's called.
23:12:49 The smell nice day.
23:12:50 Right.
23:12:55 That should have been obvious yeah but. Indeed, we should probably skip 10 to 24 and fry knocks next meeting on October, eight.
23:13:10 So pointing that out.
23:13:11 Yep. Thank you.
23:13:18 Let me, let me say bi weekly meetings.
23:13:22 Unless that conflicts with a bigger, bigger features.
23:13:30 There's a handlebar separator.
23:13:33 After.
23:13:34 Hey, quick question so is it too late to request for Monaco samples. A and B is the, is there a recommendation on what the center of mass energy should be is it always he lead see so 13 TV always sorry 14 TV I should say.
23:13:50 Just curious.
23:13:53 It's never to later. We can ask but it's not too late.
23:14:00 Never too late for asking for the from the sample. So please, please go ahead and be fair, the travel. Yes, we be notified.
23:14:10 Besides, HLHC actually one of the default energies is also hundred TV.
23:14:17 If you want anything else. You can make the request and would be to discuss it I guess with the Monte Carlo team to see you know if they have the resources.
23:14:28 Thank you.
23:14:31 Maurice ends up beside Bismarck and then one question that I had when I looked at the Monte Carlo generation strategy. So, if I understand correctly, I went to the directory where they posted the card files.
23:14:47 If I understand correctly, they really just using a plain vanilla macro setup. So there are some whatever DK parameter set up differently but it's really, other than that it's default and I would have to know to get into these machines to see what PDS
23:15:01 for example they used and my question is, given that you're talking about 100. tv machine.
23:15:08 Has there been any feedback from the other subgroups that are actually specialized on PDFs, to take into account the issue that you will have you will pull like real vegetables on out of the protons at these energies right because of that energy basically
23:15:25 they appear to be mass this morning.
23:15:27 So I was wondering whether there was any discussion on this. Are they working together, I just was a bit surprised to see that there was no time to ask frankly in this very short time period we had in the general meeting last Monday.
23:15:42 So you're asking kind of about electroweak PDFs. Yes, whether they would be considered I mean, I cannot with full authority speed Gordon john Starbucks behalf, but my understanding is not that is not used for the month of college innovation.
23:16:00 I guess because basically there's no software package that is ready to be plugged into the Montana programs, this time.
23:16:11 So okay thank you that that really answers a lot of my question because I was I was not sure and I'm pretty sure that's being actively discussed in UFO five or even six right, how to go about doing that.
23:16:20 But, if this is simply not not ready for prime time yes and there's nothing you can do not ready for prime time so any, any vegetables on processes on the, you know, would only be treated exclusively basically, I think I understand.
23:16:35 Yeah.
23:16:33 Okay. Thank you very much. Sure.
23:16:36 Just to add back I think the plan is also at this point to use customized cards, and then set parameters, based on whatever you want them to be. So, which is why I think the vanilla mad graph is the chosen kind of setup right now.
23:16:52 Well the thing is if you want to use these background samples you will set up should, it is mirror what they are using so at least you should use this parameter file that they uploaded on their tricky and get.
23:17:04 So, so at least what you're running is consistent you use whatever same WMS and so on and so on, as they are using in the background sample so it needs to be consistent in your sickness samples you should choose whatever they they chose there unless there's
23:17:15 a bug that you find everything has to be weird anyway.
23:17:19 Right, I agree. Yeah, those are parameter cards are customized card whatever it is needs to be public. Yep.
23:17:49 And again it's into GIFs repository to dig around there's only one part found in there so that's what they used to change the middle of aircraft.
23:17:42 into.
23:17:47 Singapore.
23:17:49 Recently reasons that, let me suggest that we move to our
23:17:54 contributions.
23:17:57 So, Pamela.
23:17:59 Would you do, let me start by sharing with enable she'll share shows that and stuff. Yes, thank you.
23:18:12 I know it's not full screen so let me.
23:18:15 Okay, you can see this now right.
23:18:18 Yes sir, sir.
23:18:20 Thank you. Okay, thanks. So this is a rather quick update of the analysis the EFT analysis that we've been doing in the BBB with regard to the BGP process.
23:18:31 And so this update is on behalf of Claudius Stefan Richard and Michael, and we are planning on extending our group, and some of our potential collaborators have actually are actually also attending the meeting today so this is exciting and we're happy
23:18:45 to welcome new members to our group, I will talk a little bit about it on my last slide.
23:18:52 So, I decided that I was just going to start at the beginning. Even though I've given an update or at least floated the idea, last year at sometime in November, but then we've had a break and I just wanted to restart and sort of refresh everyone's memory
23:19:09 as to why what why first of all we're interested in vvv, and what we plan on doing. So, as everyone knows BBB is really an exciting and your research right now, the CMS collaboration reported the first observation of the BBB process.
23:19:23 Last year, and it was followed by Atlas collaboration reporting the first observation of the www process. This year, I think the results were announced me PS.
23:19:34 So, lots of progress in the last couple of years. And so this is a very exciting area of research, and here I have this beautiful event display. This is an event.
23:19:43 This is a five left on event. And this is an event consistent with a WZZ process and this is from the CMS analysis, this is part of the observation paper, the VP observation paper and we observed three events like this, consistent with the WCC process.
23:20:11 It's beautiful. And it's, it's very exciting new your physics. So this is why we want to look at our we want to perform or take our first step out of beyond the Standard Model exploration in this newly discovered or newly observed final state.
23:20:26 So like I said, this is a major milestone and standard model of physics monkey bows on specifically bV exploration is expected to lead to stringent tests of course of the non Indian gate structure of the standard model, and it provides access to the Standard
23:20:49 Model aquatic coupling and really the only other way to access the Standard Model aquatic coupling is through the vegetables and scattering process. So, Vi Vi Vi and vegetables on scattering are really the two pillars that at some level of standard model
23:20:58 physics are accused of exploration of the aquatic coupling. And we are at the precipice of launching a full scale vvv program at the LLC as of now, we've looked at only Mattila tonic final state so we've always looked at a key store more leptons, but
23:21:09 with run three with more data, and with better ways of maybe tagging booster wb can look at the boosted the region, just that the boost gives us an additional handle to deal with backgrounds.
23:21:21 So there's a lot we can do.
23:21:23 This is just the tip of the iceberg. And, and simplistic projections of affordability condition so if I were to take them on to analysis.
23:21:33 See the CMS analysis.
23:21:35 As an example, and do some simplistic projections of for 4000 or 3000 inverse femto barn. This already tells us that we may be able to see the or observe the WZZ and zz processes with five sigma significance.
23:21:51 So there is a possibly a very very real possibility of being able to observe these processes with high significance, at the age, Let's see. So this is again very exciting.
23:22:01 These are processes that I think we don't even have. I think the CMS analysis was the only one that had five and six left on final states targeted at looking at WZZNZZZ I think they're mostly thought of as inaccessible.
23:22:14 So, just, just to mention that it's exciting that we may actually be able to prove what we thought was inaccessible that effective field theory exploration individually final state, I think it's topical.
23:22:28 And it allows for and beyond the Standard Model exploration, like I said in this new the observed final state.
23:22:35 So I don't need to talk about the effect of field theory framework to this audience everyone knows this that just to refresh our memories This is brand new, and we are.
23:22:43 We have these several kinds of vertices, just big three sort of representative ones here in the diagram so of course we have the quarter coupling. We have the trial linear coupling.
23:22:54 And then of course the Higgs mediated mode. So this means that in this bvp process. We have access to dimension six, or we can probe dimension six and dimension eight operators.
23:23:05 So that's actually quite, quite a senior and feature of obv finals of DVD production mode. And of course I only have www here but, which is because this is the process with the highest cross section so I'm sort of prioritizing this process.
23:23:22 But then there are Wz, you know, other processes with an additional z, and of course for the zz process you don't really have the quarter coupling because that's forbidden standard model.
23:23:33 So for various reasons, it's really interesting to look into this and to before me folks get EFT exploration of the final state, or the vvv process, I should say.
23:23:48 Okay. So, like I said, certain interesting features associated with this process that make it very attractive for an EFT exploration, and one of them is that the one can also look at the Higgs sector, because of the Higgs the presence of the Higgs mediated
23:24:01 mode.
23:24:02 One thing that is interesting and that really has baffled. Or, that is something that is a question of interest is whether we can quantify the interference between the Higgs median and mode and other modes of production.
23:24:15 So this would be something that would be interesting to quantify to to quantify and yeah I do talk about this in my next slide, actually, and one and we can also answer critical questions or false critical questions such as what is the How big is the
23:24:33 dimension six squared contribution versus dimension eight, like I said, because of the presence of the coupling one has a direct access to probing the dimension of contributions and so this is it so we can actually answer critical art least Paul's critical
23:24:47 questions that have come up in the context of the LSC, you have to be working group as to what is the contribution of dimension six versus dimension, eight, and really answer questions like what if we see an access at the LSC would that be a consequence
23:25:01 of a dimension six squared operator, or would that be a dimension eight contribution.
23:25:07 And in the analysis we plan on looking exploring sensitive variable so we are basically looking for proxies for asset. So essentially in electronic decay mode where there's more than one neutrino president, we cannot really construct the full, the bottleneck
23:25:35 That could be a proxy for us after something like an SD, but we are basically using this analysis or setting up the analysis so that we can see if we can identify any other sensitive variable.
23:25:47 And of course, then we can also look at Angular variables because these could have some information that could be sensitive to CPE audio and operators.
23:25:55 And so certain Delta fibers and so on so this is also part of our action items.
23:26:00 One thing I want to mention is that we do not have any golden variables in this final state, unlike the vector boat and scattering topology by that I mean, there are no high PT jets there's no stability gap.
23:26:14 So, so it's a bit more challenging from that point of view.
23:26:18 Okay, so I want to take a technical interview here and talk about the Higgs mode because this is something I referred to on my previous slide.
23:26:27 And, and just to put all of the sort of brass tacks oh just to put all of the information out there, we are using that graph to six seven primarily for the studies and for polarization studies we're using a version that's higher than 2.7.
23:26:41 Because that's the version in which the polarization was implemented.
23:26:46 And so what we were initially what we thought we could do is to extend the bright wingnut cut off and see if we can get the off shell W's from the Higgs mediated mode to to enter a final stage or basically just generate one process that includes all the
23:27:02 time and diagrams that I pointed to a couple of slides ago, and the answers are you know so given that we're using Minecraft Minecraft is really not amenable to this.
23:27:12 So you can see here on the right, I have a plot and I'll let me just take a moment to explain it. So this is an entre production of three W's, and I use the charge to deliver to do a favor separation so I dedicate w minus two electron and the neutrino
23:27:42 Trina pair, and the W plus two a Mian Mian neutrino beer, just so I could have the, I could look at the inherent mass of the electron and the neutrino and just zoom in on one of the W's. And then, what I did was to start extending this bright Wagner,
23:27:46 cut off. And so the recommended values 15 gamma and but I started increasing it to 20 all the way to 38, and then at that point I had to stop because once I start increasing the gamma, the bw cut off beyond 38 gamma.
23:28:01 I stopped noticing severe problems with the young generation it's extremely slow the number of events requested is much lower than what my graph eventually spits out.
23:28:10 So I want to get understand that one really gets into issues with Facebook sampling at that point.
23:28:16 So, after doing this study.
23:28:18 I reached out to Olivia Taylor who's the was one of the authors of Matt graph just to see how kosher This is. And the answer is that you cannot really do this.
23:28:33 Matt graph assumes the narrow with approximation within the bw cut off range, and you can eat the food thread in the link that I provided which has a lot more information.
23:28:37 And so he recommends that we stick to the 15 gamma recommendation, which was carefully chosen jobs, optimize the face piece integrator. And then we just generate the processes separately, so we generate three entre W's semantics the dollar age, pretty
23:29:13 the Higgs, and then add the process with the Higgs, and this is a sort of the we decided to go forward and separate the two processes, I have to say though that I even with other generators I think Sherpa does not.
23:29:09 I think people still end up, generating the two processes separately and I know this because in the recent Atlas result. Atlas used Sherpa, and it is for that analysis as well the two processes are generated separately.
23:29:23 So it's an interesting problem. It's a we don't have a solution so far, but we are sort of circumventing it by separating the two processes and adding them, and then the plan is to combine the limits are the combined sensitivities at the end.
23:29:38 And I would be curious to know if there's a way to handle the interference honestly.
23:29:42 Okay, so, um, right.
23:29:47 so what what we did here was to start with the representative dimension six operators so this is rather simplistic dimension six operator which is W field strength and used.
23:29:59 So we started with the gauge was on self interaction operators, as you can imagine, met them, even in its most restrictive scenario has 59 operators. And so, There are many operators that we can look at.
23:30:13 But we sort of restricted ourselves to a small subset, and started our exploration with gauge was on self interaction operators, with the hope that people extend this operator.
23:30:24 This set of operators to include lots of electronic sector, even if we are not as sensitive. Most of the sensitivity to the electronic sector probably comes through other processes, but it's something that we will be planning on, including, of course
23:30:36 we would have to modify our process definitions and mad graph to look at the electronic sector. And that's actually an added complication associated with it.
23:30:44 But this is our first explorations I just want to say that this is the first stab at it, and we will extend it extend this analysis.
23:30:54 A few points here just to so just to explain that graph that I have on the, on the right.
23:31:00 So what we do is we generate the full process with all of the NLL.
23:31:05 So it's Standard Model plus interference plus bsm. And then we also separate the interference and the DSM contributions are using the syntax that I have here.
23:31:15 And so you can see that the all the first process essentially the n equals one process really reproduces the some of the Standard Model bsm and interference.
23:31:28 Now interference in this case you don't see it because it's actually negative, it's a small number, but it is negative.
23:31:34 And I should probably not apply this on a large scale but the, it has to be noted that the interference in many cases is indeed negative.
23:31:44 And, and so this just tells us that we have a handle on the generation, we understand more or less what how things work. And we were able to separate the interference and bsm components.
23:31:56 When you're doing the generation because the idea would be to present the limits, or the sensitivities character as a function of both the interference and bsm contributions.
23:32:10 With that, let me move on and sort of start building the analysis. So this is a plot of the SD distribution on the right that I have, and just, pardon me here I chose a very high value of the Wilson coefficient here.
23:32:25 So you can see that it almost looks like I'm actually I am violating unit Derek I mean the DSM contribution is huge. It's just.
23:32:34 This is just the plot.
23:32:36 Most of the, you'll see that the FTR sensitivity to the button coefficient is actually two orders of magnitude less than that. And we do have thoughts for those, it's just for this particular slide I just chose this because I thought it was kind of interesting
23:32:48 as to visually even see where the stability sort of breaks down, and these visual effects are also part of just checking where you are sensitivities are even before when we are constructing are using rereading or some other way to build our grid of sensitivity,
23:33:05 these kinds of visual checks really help in addition to also looking at how much the cross section is blowing up if there wasn't sufficient to set to a hot high value, so don't don't take this too seriously here.
23:33:16 I know already in order to bring the standard model is assumed to be the only background in this case, and use article computed with an SD card of to TV, and this to TV is not really an ad hoc number you can see here that the Standard Model really drops
23:33:37 and that was really the point of this plot here, I should say. Maybe it because I wasn't very clear the SD is the scalar some of the beauties of the three W's at the generator level.
23:33:44 Now, this I plotted here because I wanted to compare it with an SD that one would look at at the reconstructed level in an analysis. So this is the plot I have on the left is a plot from the paper, a CMS paper based on 2016 data.
23:34:02 And here are the SD is the scalar some of the final state scalar some of the beauties of the final state object, you need to laptop and to jet final state.
23:34:13 So, you can see that the whole point of this is that the Standard Model really drops off at two TV so this is still a very valid got to put at the generator level and so that's what we do is we got on the SD distribution and to TV, where the standard
23:34:29 model is almost zero, and that we assume is our main background. So here, we can probably simulate a few more background fitness the analysis, like I said, this is just the first stab at add things.
23:34:42 And with this weekend already start computing our sensitivity so we have our signal. We have our background, and that's essentially all we need to do our first pass sensitivity studies.
23:34:55 And so you can see that our sensitivities to these operators to see a, or three w operator hw operator are actually quite good.
23:35:05 I have to say that they are comparable to sensitivities from BBs processes, but like I said there are some non trivial assumptions that have gone in here, where the Standard Model, like I said, it's the, we assume that that's the biggest background, we
23:35:19 might, don't adopt a little bit see just so we're not under predicting the background. So, but at the first pass of this looks quite promising. And just to acknowledge that the limit setting to tool that we use the setup is the one that's used by the
23:35:34 in Torino and Delano so the, I have been to the archive paper here, and we are exploring possible collaboration with this group so we're very excited because there's already been a vs exploration, and we hope to learn a lot from this collaboration with
23:35:51 this group.
23:35:54 Another thing that we are looking at which keeps coming up, and like I said this process is particularly interesting to look at such effects which is this dimension six squared versus dimension it.
23:36:06 So for this or we did was we chose operators that look similar. So let's take all three w operator let's take a lt zero operator with the dub just the W field strengths.
23:36:18 And I have to say that I should mention this that by default Matt graph does single insertions does not do double insertion so every time and and be index is RNN be flag is switched on.
23:36:35 There's only one insertion operator insertion or one one operator insertion. So what we did here is to operate to insert the operator twice with some manipulation of the new physics flags in Minecraft so this is really stress testing that graph.
23:36:48 And I have to thank you, Larry review for her patient died and through the speakers. We weren't we are using some XM for this and so really pushing some efforts and also to its limit in trying to understand in trying to sort of quantify this effect here.
23:37:03 And for the bsm for dimension eight This is easy, because this is a rather simple process it's just the aquatic coupling. And we're just looking tapping out or just focusing on the bsm contribution.
23:37:15 So this these are these would be lambda to the contributions, the just the bsm contributions, I talk about the difference, a little bit, because that's more complicated so I started with the easy process to begin with.
23:37:28 And so, like I said, this is one by lambda to the eight and this is in the M www spectrum. So this is the start of the process. We have access to the side because this is again and generate a level so we can just add the masses of the three W's.
23:37:44 And it is from this analysis, you can see that the shapes are completely agree with each other. So this is interesting. This was the first thing that we that that was striking.
23:37:57 And it also tells us that there are certain things that we need to take into account for example, it's imperative that the representative values are chosen for the Wilson coefficient.
23:38:06 So for example, we need to choose the value of CW that's consistent with various sensitivity lies and ft 01 is where I sensitivity was with the from a data analysis so that it was a value of one.
23:38:20 But then I also did actually manipulate the yield so that they would more or less look similar, but the question really is one off characterizing and access in terms of dimensions x squared or dimension, it.
23:38:34 If the shapes of the bsm part of the distribution of the same. So if this is what it looks like. And they're completely overlapping. Then what how do we categorize and access in data.
23:38:45 And that's really the question retry after.
23:38:48 So, there isn't an answer I'm not providing an answer here I'm just saying that this is me just started looking at this and we're just starting to get our event generated to do things that we want.
23:38:59 We're just validating that event generators are doing the right thing, but really the question we're after is, is the one that I have here.
23:39:07 One other thing is that the extraction of the interference is actually rather difficult. So those would be lambda to the four terms.
23:39:15 That's because when the syntax to extract interference would also include would not just include the double insertion interference but also the single insertion BSN components.
23:39:27 So there's some diagram removal that needs to be done and this is something area, provided some guidance on. It's a little bit slippery slope, we all know that when we try to remove diagrams that's not always a good thing and one can run into gauging
23:39:43 various issues and so on.
23:39:43 So, our good, one can essentially just blow up the cross section and so on has to be very careful and and so this is something that we plan on doing, but carefully with caution.
23:39:57 And that's sort of the next step we want to start with something that was simple.
23:40:01 And I think with that it all already brings me to my conclusion. So we started assessing sensitivities to various dimensions six operators. We are beginning to address dimensions x squared versus dimension eight contributions and again as I said this
23:40:18 is pertinent in the current discussions pertinent in the context of discussions and daily TFT working group, where we are wondering if dimension, easy to be only just taking into account as uncertainties to the first global fits, or how does one account
23:40:36 for dimension eight to begin with, or in general. And we are also exploring various polarization states of the VBV process. So this would. This is something that Richard is really providing a lot of guidance to us.
23:40:46 Since he's the one that implemented the polarization in my graph to 73. So, we're already beginning to see something interesting that's coming out even just from a star for standard model process with separating the interference.
23:40:59 Sorry separating the polarization states. So this is something that's in the works.
23:41:05 And then we plan on addressing how VVFT bounds can contribute to global fits. And we've, as I said before, we are planning to extend our current collaboration to into colleagues from to remind Milano, and, and of course it will be interesting to compare
23:41:21 with EFT sensitivities from Lipton colliders so maybe once our results are there we could combine with other efforts from Lipton collider folks and come up with a combination.
23:41:34 And that's it for me. Thank you.
23:41:42 Right, thank you very much.
23:41:47 I'm sorry August
23:41:50 it. Please always go ahead, Chris.
23:41:54 Yeah, I, I had a question about this thing that you showed that seems to be essentially a degeneracy between this dimension a populated the dimension six squared insertion.
23:42:06 I wonder, is of course also the linear dimension six term, right, which made a difference in the distributions.
23:42:16 Would that potentially have to break this degeneracy.
23:42:20 Good. So that's a good point. So that's what I plan on doing so that's what I'm saying that in the current implementation of my graph. It's a little hard to separate out the interference from just interference from dimension six squared, versus pure bsm
23:42:36 from dimension six. You see what I mean. Yes, because they're both lambda to the four. And so for this you need to remove some diagrams.
23:42:45 Mad graph issue it's not a physics, per se, and and so this is something we are, we're doing, we're planning on doing or I've already taken a stab at it it's not very simple but in our area is providing us with guidance.
23:43:01 are you for your for your final fit exercise you would want to include everything right but this is for the purpose of understanding where the sensitivities coming from.
23:43:19 Right. I mean okay.
23:43:17 These are a jumping can solve if you have typing, trying to say I was trying to be common on the similar aspect, and to me this vv processes, kind of unique for the dimension eight Karate Kid Capri.
23:43:40 So for the dimension six, like the chip gauge calculating can be accessed much more sensitivity in the process like just the vv process.
23:43:51 So I think it's a very good assumption for this study to focus on dementia eight, but assuming.
23:44:01 In the end, dimension six will be constrained much better comparing to using the shape in the vv process.
23:44:12 Please go ahead. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.
23:44:14 Yeah. So I think, so you're trying to distinguish it using vv process, only the dimensions six and eight, given the statistics I think it, even though it's possible but the sensitivity will be very bad.
23:44:30 And in the end we will have the help from the vv process, and you have a much tighter constraint on the main six, and that's essentially can maybe remove degeneracy in the process here vv.
23:44:49 So that's, that's my suggestion maybe you can try to focus on the dementia age but assuming at the coming six is kind of uncertainties there.
23:45:00 So, that's typically the approach we've taken in data analysis when we've you know in the experiments when we've looked at just dimension, eight, we've looked at the TV and just focus on dimension it.
23:45:11 But what I found through a very basic, very simplistic sensitivity study at the generator level is that these sensitivities that you have here. Like I said, Take a piece take it with a grain of salt a few grains of salt.
23:45:24 But these are comparable to what you would get from a dv vegetables on scattering process. So a recently a sensitivity study at the generated level was done by this group and I point to the archive paper here.
23:45:38 And so the so I took the results or I looked at the results from that paper. And I find that the results from BVI really comparable.
23:45:46 You know, maybe they're off by a factor of two or so but not for not much worse.
23:45:51 So I think that there is some sensitivity or quite a bit of sensitivity to dimension six just from b2b, which I honestly was not expecting so it's a bit of a surprise for me as well.
23:46:01 I see, that's so surprising to me.
23:46:19 You're seeing this this CW sensitivity similar to already to the vv process. It's got bearable like I said within a factor. At this point, yeah.
23:46:16 Okay, maybe. Yeah. In this case it's more complicated than what I thought.
23:46:22 Yeah, I mean, if I may add to this, sorry I better not.
23:46:28 I mean, if, if you don't have any resources limitation in how you perform your simulations, I mean, the best of all worlds of course, if you would, you know, make your findings available with constraints, including the combinations between the wisdom
23:46:45 coefficients because then anybody can go and say, Oh, I assume that this dimension six operators known perfectly, or I assume it's constrained for vv within this range, and you know you can then always infer what you're talking about the dimension a doctor
23:47:01 later.
23:47:04 Indeed, yes.
23:47:05 So it's just what you are planning to do basically. Yes, yes. So, like you said, it's a it's resource intensive.
23:47:12 But we are like i said if you're exploring, we are extending our group amino group is becoming bigger we're beginning to have a critical mass of people.
23:47:20 So, and I think the Milano, and the Torino group who have worked on the BBs analyses have expressed interest so we can benefit from their experience as well, because it is a little complicated to generate even just pure bsm off to operators, for example,
23:47:38 I see anti correlations all the time when I'm generating, you know.
23:47:43 So, yes, it's it's it's complicated, but given that the view DBS exploration is already done I think we can learn from there and and do it here that's that's the plan.
23:47:52 Yeah.
23:47:53 How many operators Do you plan to eventually include.
23:47:57 So we started with the subs we started with the set of eight operators, which was based on the tables on inspiration, so this is papers from 2017 to even last year.
23:48:10 A lot of them from Sally Dawson's group at Brookhaven. And I think we came up with this eight, you know, operator list, which seemed like the smallest number of operators that we could come up with.
23:48:23 But out of those we had three that were just the gauge was on self interaction operators. So, which is why I looked at the one of the two. Two of them, to begin with, but we could extend it a little bit, maybe we could even drop the electronic sector
23:48:37 because maybe we don't have much sensitivity to it.
23:48:41 But I don't think we will explore an operator lyst more than maybe, you know, 10 or 15 maybe at the max. I don't think it will be larger than that, but that's just something I'm visiting a little bit off the top of my head that Polly would be already
23:48:53 quite interesting I mean not nobody has done this for that many operators yet, right, and I'm sure the global fitting team may be interested to see any updates you have.
23:49:06 Right, I think, I think the DBS analysis that I quote here, I think they do include quite a few operators.
23:49:13 But yes it would also be interesting to see what the what the sensitivity is from the left and colliders because certain forms of operators I think that don't grow as much with energy I think would be better constrained by left on collider So, yeah, yeah,
23:49:30 I think.
23:49:32 Yeah. Great, thank you.
23:49:35 Can I just briefly comment on that.
23:49:37 Please go ahead Claudius yeah I think the DBS analysis that you posted they wanted to look at all operators and principal but then they found ways to constrain the list.
23:49:52 And now that listed is remaining is basically everything that you can access under the assumptions that they made and then the ideal case we would do something very similar to that.
23:49:58 So we would start with the fullness, but then say, you can have certain cuts and you don't want to have key for fermion point like productions and then you can constrain those have certain cuts on the final stage at once and so on and then you get a reduced
23:50:11 list and that was probably the same order of magnitude a subset like 10 ish.
23:50:18 I guess. Yeah, that would be good.
23:50:29 Okay,
23:50:33 good number of equations.
23:50:37 I just had a very very quick comment about, it's included in the discussion that with jumping and, and Iris and so my task offline and maybe smaller.
23:50:53 The a shin that if there are no more questions to move over to Daniel,
23:51:07 Then you are you there.
23:51:09 Yeah, I'm here, just share my.
23:51:15 Yeah.
23:51:18 Yeah.
23:51:24 So you have them up right. Yeah.
23:51:28 Okay.
23:51:29 Yeah, I am. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to give an update the updates here, I mean I can go search for schema
23:51:39 for presentation, not specific yet yup did here consists of an update for the FCC ah so in the past we have mainly reported and studied sensitivity for the HTC.
23:51:53 Now they're basically also includes a reasonable competitive or comparable study for the FCC ah and I was with put them into context.
23:52:02 So basically what I'm talking about. Next week physics in ds. So here we consider ethical important conditions, you know, inequality facing nuclear carbon and charged current exchange charge and already has the leading on its own mediated by next week
23:52:18 by the wn implications maybe those case mediated by the photon and then, the higher the escape comes, I see the cameras in the fields terms and then highest case also the Z exchange becomes important.
23:52:28 And typically CDs, people are interested in to see the effects and the potent structure of some final states here, and I'm particularly interested in basically in the exchange of these poisons and also the couplings of the poisons to the hands of the
23:52:42 clock.
23:52:44 And as a side note, of course my condolences also, that was created off of one of these propagated WZS and then when I saw success to put in the cage cufflinks.
23:52:56 This is not what we got here but other people studied this, but if you're interested in I think there's some ideas for topics which topics their papers and people working on awesome quality cage couplings here for for this kind of effects.
23:53:09 But don't not yet interesting really an inclusive Ts cross section and from this be studied the sensitivity to the to the parameters.
23:53:16 So the experimental setup is the expense setup so basically for the HPC. We think to extend the nh season importantly was an edit con machine so here this is a new tannic was the new separate distractions to be in energy to cover in UK somehow green technology
23:53:35 technology with new, new tech new techniques, which will lighten hi intensive. That's very important high intensity condom set of masturbate with peanuts you're 50 or maybe 60.
23:53:46 tv and this gifts then set the positive 1.3 TV, and the experiments, you can run synchronously with PP acquisition that others and with CMS, and during the hiring hc face for FCCH the proposals very similar also here to consider an energy recover the
23:54:06 notes that text, attach them to the FCC hh.
23:54:10 I think for for geological reasons that point, I what they consider here I mean one of the others.
23:54:15 And he won, basically, because there's an energy for the Edit kind of 60 TV also very high, very intense Eric on Team hydro necessity and this is it in 1.5.
23:54:27 tv center of mass energy.
23:54:29 Of course, the center of the media and changes mainly then basically in the center of mass in terms of physics here you see the film on the depth, the inclusive tears cost structure the function of Q's craft was was basically the, the scale of the media
23:54:46 goes on in the nuclear exchange was tops it's a beautiful 1414 exchange net highest case and also set and cameras in the field sevens exchange becomes important charge currents some extent suppressed by the W must only me It's by w minus.
23:55:03 And then basically around the league scale hit us create the speed of similar size, and then basically at the highest case one has actually mediated closes by Wz bosons.
23:55:16 And we also have stayed at healer, you see basically Heather has touched this interesting regime so they are also studies about the effects that hero.
23:55:25 But obviously it's a busy where electronic effects are important here adjust which the kinematic limit and also then at some point, the most of the limit.
23:55:34 With HTC, but also particularly the FCC eh, then reaches an order of magnitude of the effect of 10. I accuse clear forgiving cost action, because it is safe.
23:55:46 It's also significantly higher here this huge regime Yeah, this is of course the new zx to what the most never taught before.
23:55:53 And this is the region where new effects that were never studied before NTS important technically fits Hicks physics physics and other things we like to see basically these this kinematic de nq square again also an x, and then sees this huge.
23:56:12 I think it's very interesting physics program and fear basically here at high x squared.
23:56:14 If you go to dollar value someplace, you have to study perfect money to see and all that stuff, and most interesting but I want to focus on next week physics.
23:56:23 So what we do is be considered inclusive as cost sections, the seniors in our initial study for the HTC, and we have w fancy car section data function of q squared, x 1000 something data points, different center of mass and cheese.
23:56:40 Any composites on teams different polarization states, and then perform a huge PDF it's similar to the PF studies. And in addition, he also determined that clinic parameters respond to click week of actions, and in little few CDs, for the PDFs, and in
23:56:56 this machine to basically have a complete determination of the QC effects, the PDFs, and the economic effects and particular parameters and feeling.
23:57:07 And from there basically from books into one of the first besides here, some of the most of the we have you set up the next two weeks keeping the armchair schemes of the AW masters essentially parameter to the theory, which then uses the term for instance
23:57:21 the phone company and other parameters. So it's one of these three important.
23:57:38 The expectations uncertainty of what six to eight MV depending on what the setup on expects. And for a sec Ah, this becomes an even more precise and even uncertainty was for the one in the University of 4.5 Mb, and this uncertainty already includes the
23:57:48 PDF uncertainties because we have this complete setup of the PDFs, of the fit and the uncertainty I don't have the PDF so this about 3.6 MEV. It's about half of the uncertainties, and it's not that limited by the PDFs.
23:58:05 This is because it's very high it's very high except PDFs.
23:58:11 Precisely determined from data safe and basically one can basically immediately get access to the academic parameters.
23:58:19 Immediately, of course monster tempos together and manifest isn't structure 3.6 MV, the interpretation of this study masters bit more complicated, because it's of course not a non CW but everything's offset.
23:58:34 And in therefore it's just part of the arts TV.
23:58:37 And this is a very large extent very complimentary then to the direct measurements that w pulling off from from basically from the WHC, a lot more competitive more direct comparison to other measurements is done in terms of the effective mixing should
23:58:55 make the same definition at this done today, so we define the effective big mixing anger to Z for for an electron.
23:59:04 And, essentially this is in the vector couplings, then this cup of form factor Time stands for theater set for that it's at the seaport process essentially we're in the teaching and but then you have like small correction factors and you get out the same
23:59:23 that is commonly done also in that combination paper. And then it also performed effectively mixing together with the PDFs.
23:59:31 You see also here quite high sensitivity. So for HTC This is similar in some ways better than HD or to some data, and also competitive to the combination of all for their precise, which is, I think, very, very encouraging.
23:59:44 And the FTC h again he of course is even more precise and the expectation uncertainty of 0.00011 last a year but it's only motivated limited by PDFs or even desk.
23:59:57 And the reason is basically that this is the parameter here has no direct connections, anymore, to the incoming patterns and but they said in the the interesting part is essentially that we are not conscious and you're not the polls but we're basically
00:00:23 the teaching, and therefore we spend a very, very large range and scale on q3 and this gets access to the funding of the backpack the mixing and this year started for the ACC but also have accepted it for the FCC ehm here the Pacey perform multiple of
00:00:42 of the PDFs, together with those 10 parameters for different effective, the mixing Angus a difference case. So basically these parameters are to some extent and correlated with the the the funding is measures to grant access, and you see that basically
00:00:52 have a very bad cinematic range from 10. Ci up to almost the TV to get to me, uncertainties, very competitive. And of course a very exciting machines are basically VPPI, some sensitivity below the sequel mass is sensitivity above the sequel mass, and
00:01:18 in none of these regimes any data is present. So, essentially we don't have any know that so physics this realized in this machine so basically only know about the point that we don't know what actually happens next to the point here yet.
00:01:26 For the first time a measurement that we the measures this race of the effectively mixing and also makes the connection to the those scale experiments, and it's those experiments, they also proposals from other from YouTube.
00:01:39 And also in between from sergeants.
00:01:40 I think this will be very nice to have all these measurements taken together CPC finally that running. It also in the shining, of course, all the effects of any PSM theory should show up to some extent so and em deviation in designing is a very, very
00:01:56 sensitive to to be as anything's. Also you'll be seeing some expectation from here see.
00:02:02 Of course if they see finds have a very sensitive and meaningful definition for the practical mixing all they can measure, possibly this can be done at HTC and it basically cost correlation between these two MPs experiments.
00:02:18 Yeah, very important as it says here that all you want to know about the headache to the theory is essentially at this point. And now for the first time we have a high sensitivity experiments that measures apart for before he put in the teaching, and
00:02:33 and also it's very complimentary quantities of these quantities is the cutting of the sidewalks to the bottom right quadrant we can couplings.
00:02:45 Get the director copying the deck the copies of the new Fox D quarks and these parameters are very important, because they are very sensitive, very important for the, for the young Physics for instance that the MHCM but they are very very poorly measured
00:03:00 so you see here the contours from the, from the zero and also from each one and from the very similar measurement.
00:03:09 In the HTC and even more the fch gifs, great the enhanced sensitivity so by also marketing tools. This is a deadly they're very precise measurement that was never done before and I personally think it's a very important quantity of project we feel we
00:03:23 should not forget that there's physics, that is not be measured.
00:03:43 also get access to to to other definitions like French ports cuttings and such things.
00:03:45 I have not shown
00:03:50 in the funding, typically what you have is very sensitive and very meaningful sensitivity to bsm effects because any TV, any modification to the to the theory changes the running to the zoo collections that session into the theory, and this is to some
00:04:11 extent generically Tama podcast but su parameters, similar to the definitions.
00:04:19 In, and we can also define in here is this a contribution or modifications to the znw balls and safe and Archie's, and we can define basically MTS on in this DS fits the attempt to determine, two of them together with the PDFs.
00:04:36 And then at the HTC has an fch Of course, everyone has sensitivity to all of these three parameters to STNTO and basically by measuring inclusive Moodley cotton and charts current exchange one has access to any of those three and also working disentangled
00:04:47 this feed from, from the complete measurement of inclusive Ts cost sections. And I think there's also very complimentary for this equal measurements again.
00:05:07 And bundling only payments awesome the charge current sector should not be forgotten, you're not only talking about not like hiding but also trashcan.
00:05:14 and in the s&s the very nice feature that basically one knows the income inequality, and we can measure the entire hedonic finally state and quantities.
00:05:21 And from that, this gets access to the full kinematic reconstruction of the W exchange it really can measure the charts current exchange to a quite reasonable position, and similar if not the current one has the higher order electric vehicle accidents
00:05:39 can sensitivity to whatever, including these electronic collections. And these are here generically introduced into the theory by so called co pine parameters a whole charts current is the one duplexes in the next week.
00:05:54 theory and co pilot is just a test on animals form factor, and there are two of those there's a clock in the eighth an anti Quark factor and banking was attempt to determine and both together.
00:06:08 And let's see Stephen is very very high position or he's in a position that say in the community seem much much much better than h1 h1 is here, very huge uncertainty contour 68% confidence that it, and also here, I can attempt to measure the banning of
00:06:23 these form factors, this and to some extent similar to what's done in the effective big missing angle. And here one expects also uncertainties of permitted fishing in the sensitive range from a 10th of TV squared up to the TV regime important here is
00:06:42 basically those case not limited them by photon exchange but basically by detector effects and by trigger efficiencies and all those extra mental it's just two projects and I can measure to the worst case.
00:06:56 One important point I think he on the uncertainties is basically one sees that these parameters direct the scale, with the structure function to stack the franchise into the cross sections, and therefore the dominant certainties luminosity measurements
00:07:13 astronauts, the normalization of the data variable. One last slide, which I always want to highlight and quantum emphasizes that it's not only about the HTC not FCC eh is not only about measurement on its own.
00:07:28 It's also, it hates hc it hates the FCHH physics program. And in particularly for the hc hiding energy we already know now come to data is almost analyzed.
00:07:52 are there. Lisa RQCD dominated quantities that are very very precise to measure hc. We have here, sample some studies that are from the from the hiding is you get a report, I think.
00:08:01 And what's this for instance, the measurement of the who was on mass limited by pf uncertainties now and this will not go away with only hiding the data and the fun obtains HTC PDFs and basically the PDF answer is no longer the dominating uncertainty
00:08:17 and this gives new position and very important ingredients to high, high position, Santa Monica nuclear physics, the PP hc similarly for science procedure, and only with a TCP window panes of measurement that this competitive with that measurement.
00:08:36 So, it doesn't some of the we've extended our expectations for electronic parameters that we did in the past for HTC and also for the FCC, eh, senior set up a higher sense of mastery because we have a higher potent energy.
00:08:57 It's a very rich and very diverse mystic podium I focus you're on metal your next week physics. And we see the basic the fundamental equity parameters, can you measure the type position and they are very competitive other measurements, but also very complimentary
00:09:18 Many complimentary or different aspects of the day to see we are measured altogether like charts and sectors like like core couplings and such, such things, and also very unique and very important measurements are done like the cues codependence of witnessing
00:09:33 and Katie pins are the biggest thing, and just kind of so on.
00:09:37 And, of course, not only direct measurements also indirect contribution to the ppm for this program etc important like PDFs.
00:09:45 And this help us to do position physics in 2013.
00:09:50 Finally, yes and there there are a number of reports basically the, the cdr, there's an updated.
00:09:58 EPJC article I'm not sure if it's yet published but this gives insights into the new updated detector proposal and such things. And there are some differences here and it's also on the fight.
00:10:12 Yeah, thank you for listening.
00:10:18 Thank you very much. So then you indeed.
00:10:23 Interesting. Interesting complementarity here with measurements, The Twitter questions for Daniel.
00:10:37 Please.
00:10:46 I have a comment and a question. So my comment would be about this ending of the week mixing anger that you showed on slide, seven.
00:10:57 That doesn't principal information one could also get at the hi Louie LHC by measuring banana young in a bit, analysis, you know, in Neptune invalid Aspen's nobody has really studied at quantitatively what the sensitivity is, but
00:11:28 it would be kind of interesting to know how this compares to date I think there's not even a sense with the measurement from CMS to access and the cluster is no from CMS to, they both have done it but they have always just presented at a Sanskrit DITA
00:11:36 data, effective, assuming standard model at the age of collections for, you know, whatever they are needed you know for the energy dependence and stuff like that.
00:11:47 So near. Yeah, they have never done this, you know, presented to the sides for individual bits, but they could do it and principle, it these are wrong dizzy points can be certainly done.
00:12:00 I think so too and certainly also high school is so difficult to very highest case.
00:12:25 One suit.
00:12:25 Easy. There's a piece of the puzzle with words. Yes, if you caught a glimpse of a from z boy, I think was actually demystify PDF uncertainties because you have always though Yeah, right.
00:12:25 No. Sure I had one TV it's gonna be mad at a very high x, and we can to data.
00:12:28 And this would give a very similar sensibility and very meaningful measurement Yes, I completely agree.
00:12:33 Yeah. And similarly also for for the for those companies here if they see the tissue measurement here of course, if the same as us they've publicly our measurements they have much higher sensitivity nozzle.
00:12:44 I also expect.
00:12:45 Send me a dead is actually my question sorry I think so what you show on this slide and also slide 10 for the, for the church God companies.
00:12:56 I think the way that you are able at the edge DC to really determine all of those independently from each other.
00:13:04 And, you know, with a pretty good position that I don't think you know can be matched with the NFC.
00:13:12 I think that's really probably the most for me subjectively one of the most interesting cases.
00:13:19 I do wonder. Would it be possible for you to, you know, decent decides to make them kind of available in a form that they could be included in Globus it's like you know project them on the SMP ft program he does space with some calculations or something.
00:13:55 fit.
00:13:56 But it then.
00:14:05 And the sensitivities alone.
00:14:12 No, I don't think the entire analysis by desert translation between these effective couplings that you're showing here.
00:14:21 And, and EFT operators at dimension six, and you know if you know the correlations which I guess you do for these couplings, then you can make the translation without, I mean at least you know to a reasonable approximation, you can make the translation
00:14:36 without owning the analysis.
00:14:38 Yeah, you can make everything political. I am happy to help everybody who wants something, some insights if you want to do an audit, some piece of code some simulated data, I'm happy to give it all, it's certainly not a problem.
00:15:00 Thanks.
00:15:05 We have a hands on.
00:15:07 Yeah. Can you hear me. Yeah, yeah. It's a naive question exactly on the slide, I mean, the point for the NFC.
00:15:33 the these red points are measurements.
00:15:36 And here, basically these are this place in x muscle. Okay, yeah, this is the proposed experiments at this place in why.
00:15:48 Okay.
00:15:51 He's not off but I mean the measurement is basically green is off in, you know, in the Y axes. Yeah, okay with this case here on the zz point.
00:16:06 Taste here on the zz boy. It's difficult to, it's all information is there with my monster. OK, so the NFC is on the running line, this was my question. Yeah.
00:16:18 Basically it's already nice yeah and then she agrees perfectly but yeah so far.
00:16:22 All right, thank you.
00:16:27 Thank you.
00:16:28 Jumping Yeah, I have a general question rate or the electric physics here, since it's often the ZRW core.
00:16:42 It's probably important to include the female interactions, other than the standard water, you just assume that they NW copy.
00:16:54 I'm wondering what that's taking into account when you think about the the precision measurement of mixing anger, so.
00:17:05 Yeah, yeah, this this asked a good question. The basically you're not new but we are basically it's minus mu squared. So in the teaching of ingestion.
00:17:18 And it basically there are smart directions back to the desk at pendants and also there are small and offset effects than in the running of these form factors, 10 events based on a time like machine.
00:17:31 And then basically we are in space like machine and we translate, or fit parameter of parameters that we have to a definition that is exactly the same as that is done in the lab.
00:17:48 And this is similarly done also that basically they focus the always on the effective beat mixing of the debutantes, but the main position comes to effect from from the symmetry measurements and from the quarks.
00:18:00 So they also have this small favor dependent collection terms and also they have small measurements around this case also they take some Katie pin and collection factors into account here.
00:18:09 But yes, these are in one group position included in our expectations.
00:18:16 Yeah, I mean of the poor around you, of course, has to be included are the also the high order correction but the full form interactions are from new physics.
00:18:27 And that is our know how I mean, the question is whether you can actually determine names are separate them by data.
00:18:43 Why you can see.
00:18:37 Yeah. Do you have to think about what kind of new physics to think of and how they modify basically these kind of things.
00:18:43 Yeah, of course. Yeah. And then, once what comes up, if you think about naivety about new physics, which enters Science Theater, it is very likely that also enters the whole factor and basically you want to determine these two together so started step
00:18:58 and also I think in America we have some expectations for these two, I think there's a bit of misunderstanding, Daniel sorry I think Jonathan is asking about new physics that directly affects effective interactions of electrons to quarks.
00:19:11 It could come from instance farmers he playing balls or something like that. you can advise them into anything yes so yeah so that would not be Parliament it effectively mixing anger, it's a completely separate a big.
00:19:26 Yeah.
00:19:28 Basically if you have here, you have basically the standard expectation and as a measurement you test cinema expectations not could not a parameter expectation.
00:19:38 And if you see some deviation here then this gives an indication for some further contribution to the theory.
00:19:47 That's correct. So you can observe division was standing by the questions, whether you can understand the nature of that division.
00:19:56 Yeah, this is, this is a difficult question unnecessary not happens one cannot try it out. What kind of deviation is this, this, and therefore I mean, we have studied a few parameters like this this couplings terms.
00:20:12 VSTU parameters, is the ones where the SS possibly sensitive to of course the fancies a deviation you want to also maybe heavy cork couplings difference case to understand this kind of deviations and greater detail and to see precisely where they come
00:20:31 from.
00:20:33 Yeah, I guess this is a kind of extra complication when you go to the polls. So, anyway, I suspect you will be they may have may have enough experimental information to disentangle that but it would obviously degrade your sensitivity, because of correlations,
00:20:49 but I think it could be possible because you know you have some q square dependence that you can experimentally measure.
00:20:56 If you have any deviation this loop in sections.
00:21:01 You need the X amount of different data to separate them and this you know where this comes from.
00:21:08 And this is not one cent static measurements like whatever.
00:21:13 Like, it's I see it's very, very complicated to to understand any positive deviation from loop effects. Yes.
00:21:21 No, I mean the standard model has looked contributions but I mean the new physics, we would assume all basis, enters a three level.
00:21:32 right if it's mostly pine balls on that would be an example you could use that would be a tweet of a complication but you could also put them in place that is he playing balls on it's heavy you could put them in place as a contact object.
00:21:51 But it would have a different dependence on few squared and the standard model has, because if dizzy climate savvy and the effect is Bali you know there will be definitely a strong correlation with the standard model.
00:22:02 I mean, with the Z balls on the standard model there will be a strong correlation with it but it could be potentially disentangled.
00:22:13 So can I ask, maybe a brief question, and the other than this. So, you have the polarized electron beam. So, do you see as significant the role of that
00:22:28 your electronic Physics for that. So that's cool so basically we considered the electron as a polarization 80% and we can also measure both police have put Facebook, both polarization state, and also have a quantum positive on data.
00:22:47 There are people who claim that this is important.
00:22:51 But in all kind of fits as far as I see there's not a big benefit from having polarized, the cons.
00:23:13 Okay.
00:23:13 Construct polarization assume increase by measuring for instance positively negatively, the ratio of positive and negative the cost actions, and I get some kind of different.
00:23:13 Yeah, some measurement.
00:23:15 But this is essentially all included in our kind of, it's the basis of all the data and all the combinations put into our framework and this z exact CXNZ these kind of cemeteries.
00:23:27 And I personally do not quite see a big advantage of having.
00:23:34 Yeah, probably.
00:23:49 Greater the earlier question your assumption above standard modern say if you assume Canada vs and it might be having different impact.
00:23:46 It can be at 40, this anger.
00:24:06 Okay, thanks. I mean, the biggest advantage certainly is that charge Kevin's case linear the with the polarization of the presentations high, the cross section is high and other pauses like kicks production or z Production Director production they are
00:24:07 many dominated by charge card exchange in the sky linear the with the polarization. Therefore, hybridization of gifts hydrate luminosity.
00:24:17 This is for my personal point of view, the main motivation of polarized headed components.
00:24:24 Okay, thanks.
00:24:28 insect. Besides, electrons are you also considering positron dance.
00:24:34 And the limitations in the current so basically we have this energy.
00:24:40 Yeah, and any bands only circulates one singles wants to the condition means being dumped.
00:24:47 And the deposit con ganas limiting factor for the luminosity and yeah for sure. I think in this expectations are there is a one in the autobahn of a con data, and one or 10 in those 10 to one of courses on data, only.
00:25:06 But that is actually included in the studies. Yeah, this isn't. I see it was OK.
00:25:11 And we ask or basically this, the accelerator persons asked.
00:25:19 I see and click and whatever was about how long can get a high intensive process on gun and nobody knows.
00:25:26 I kind of supplies, and therefore the only assume that very very low amount of positive on data here is kind of.
00:25:37 You need to build a little IoT to make a positive.
00:25:45 Yeah.
00:25:51 Okay.
00:25:56 Do we have questions for Daniel on a gentleman more questions for the sessions for the session before we we conclude the
00:26:08 right on time.
00:26:14 Yes, it's basically we decided to skip the next media, and just having Yeah.
00:26:23 We're not skipping it the we're having a different one.
00:26:28 Yeah, if I bout to if you could actually adjust that on the intro slides if somebody else gets back you know checks now.
00:26:48 Usually the issue is that we get the without that topic. Okay.
00:26:50 Yep.
00:26:53 But we could we could see what they plan on doing.
00:26:59 And I think this, the easiest These are two that we stay on our event that are all the week number, and just maintaining that
00:27:11 Maybe we could have a three hour meeting, instead of one and a half I didn't know who was Easter to grow a gym maybe a quick information does that, I think, October, eight is fine way for you.
00:27:28 Maybe we can schedule talk.
00:27:30 Yes, I think so.
00:27:31 Okay, good.
00:27:33 Go away send another confirmation but, Yeah, that's
00:27:38 Okay.
00:27:41 Don't think explicitly rotor.
00:28:01 Bates, in, in, in our interest lies but just that we we meet on a bi weekly may or may do we lead the next week, defined meeting.
00:28:01 And we let an author on the next meeting.
00:28:10 Okay.
00:28:10 Thank you very much for pointing that out.
00:28:17 Yeah, no problem.
00:28:22 self interest.
00:28:22 Okay.